Title: Not to normal order - Notes on the kinetic limit for weakly interacting quantum fluids Abstract: I will informally discuss our recent preprint with Herbert Spohn (arXiv:0807.5072) about how the nonlinear Boltzmann-Nordheim transport equations can be derived in a kinetic limit for weakly interacting fermion and boson systems. The results are based on detailed knowledge about the corresponding estimates for the weakly nonlinear Schr?dinger equation, the "classical" analogue of these models.